OR: The Difference Between Editting and Reporting the News...
Published on August 31, 2004 By CrispE In Politics
I attended a recent showing of "Outfoxed" which was billed by those that I had heard speak of it as a left wing attempt at bashing Rupert Murdoch and Foxnews for right wing bias in editting the news to fit the propoganda mechanism that is the current right wing administration. There were descriptions that included "poor quality filming and camera work" as well as "editting issues" that made the film in part unwatchable. However, the film raises several issues that should be considered regardless of your political persuasion because the issue of news reporting is central in a republic to the decision making process of the people.

Thomas Jefferson (who as President received criticsm quite often, sometimes very undeserved) said that the country was better off with a "free press and not a free government" than vice-versa. What Jefferson meant by a free press was that the media that reports the news should take a critical eye to what government did to ensure that the people were getting both sides of the argument the government would present.

Governments have their own information dissemanation methods including spokespeople to voice their own points of view as well as contacts within the "edittorial community" (the talking heads and pundits who bombard us with their opinions of what the personalities of politics are doing). The news organizations then must take pains to scrutinize the information provided as well as digging nto the issues that face us and present us with all sides.

The history of propoganda in the world is full of examples of when the press does not take on the aspect of presenting the public with a well rounded look at issues. Consider PRAVDA in the old Soviet Union. The purpose of PRAVDA was to tell the people that the Soviet Union was the best place in the world, everything was getting better and better and say problems were temporary and that sooner rather than later everyone would be living the good life. All people needed to do was what the government thought was best for them, not question, and accept that their sacrifice was worthwhile.

Is this the argument Outfoxed makes? It certainly takes Fox, fox reporters and producers and personalities (Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and Brit Hume) to task for multiple occurences of bias in mixing opinion with news until the line between the two are so blurred that the viewer would be hard pressed to tell where one starts and the other ends. But further, it illustrates the connection between making money by all news organizations and content of broadcasts. This includes the major networks as well as CNN.

Many of you might think (as I did at one time) that CNN was the balance to Fox but this is now in question in my own mind because the methods of "spinning" that Fox is often accused of are widespread on CNN in an attempt to keep advertising dollars that might leave with lower ratings. So, does that mean that the advertisers are really in control of the news media and the ultimate determination of what we see and how we see it?

To answer this you have to ask yourself what the advertisers want you to see. Do they want you to question the government? Is uncertainty in the future to their advantage? Do you buy more stuff when you feel good or unsure?

Personally I think that the smoke and mirrors in the stock market may be the best indication of this. Consider the unemployment rate and the increases we have seen in inflation and unrest and the world and there does seem to be a disconnect between the reality and how the news is portrayed in the media. Questioning by all news sources is muted and we are constantly reminded that the new car, house, and job are just around the corner.

Remind you of anything?


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on Sep 04, 2004
Daiwa:

A comparison of a small businessman's economics to a multi-trillion dollar government is hardly suitable because the scales are not compatible and the issues surrounding repayment are different. If the small businessman borrows and goes belly up then the public is hardly effected, but government borrowing effects the ability of the society to function many years down the road.

However, be it sinister (i.e. purposeful for the wrong goals) or misguided (something we had to do and couldn't help) the situation in the last 4 years is not likely to change in the next 4. Therefore, we should count on the present administration adding $2 trillion dollars to the national debt. That is something that, fiscal conservative or liberal, we should understand before we pull the lever in the voting booth and accept as a strong possibility if your choice is Mr. Bush.

on Sep 05, 2004
Dang, I've been busy a while but I have to repsond.

Case in point: Rosie O'Donnell had to defy her "handlers" in going on O'Reilly, as they all instructed her not to. I don't know if this is the case with Mumia's defenders, but frankly, neither do you.


Actually Tom Morrello from the band formerly known as RATM went on Kroq when there was controversy over a concert they put on for Mumia's benefit. He's always been willing to go on his defense on any show. So ya, I do know.

If you are not an ultralib, why do you join with them in categorizing centrist positions as far right?


I never said they were far right positions. I'm saying he puts these issues up which are conservative friendly. He doesn't do the same for the left. I also told you I am pro-life.

All I can say that O'Reilly can't cover everything, after all he is not Matt Drudge.


Ya Shozan, but he has clearly made it a point to appease to a conservative base.
on Sep 05, 2004
Actually Tom Morrello from the band formerly known as RATM went on Kroq when there was controversy over a concert they put on for Mumia's benefit. He's always been willing to go on his defense on any show. So ya, I do know.


I thought RATM was more on resisting all forms of government, did that change, and a question about their breakup was it a difference in political views and clashes. What was the case on Mumia, link on the info, what was he charged of, etc.

I don't know, but this is my view, the songs and imagery used by RATM was more against both sides of Government, a little anarchistic, and Che Guevara is a controversial figure but the message was sound, not to mention a phrase so commonly used with him "Resist Oppression", which as I know is not his words. I also like the message of the United States Special Forces, their motto, which is "De Oppresso Liber" means "To Liberate the Oppressed"
on Sep 06, 2004
I thought RATM was more on resisting all forms of government, did that change, and a question about their breakup was it a difference in political views and clashes. What was the case on Mumia, link on the info, what was he charged of, etc.


Rage was not anarchist. Their main message was resisting oppression all over the world. In 2000 they held a successful rally at the DNC (Which is why they were gated this year) since they felt there was no difference between Dems and Pugs. They worked on a bunch of projects like labor movement, spousal abuse, the Zapatista Uprising and so on. Link It's uncertain why they broke up, but they broke up at their peak. Some say it was ideology, some say they didn't like each other any more, and so on.

I don't have any Mumia links, all the info I got were from books, and TV reports. Pretty much, he political activist who was charged and convicted of killing an officer. His case has been denied appeal a few times. The defense agrues that the cops pressured witnesses into testifying against Mumia, which one witness latter confirmed. They also claim the judge was hostile and the first lawyer was very bad, he's been disbarred for incompetance. The flip side argues that the other witnesses have stuck to their case and that the evidence from the crime scene connects Mumia. I think there was gun powder on his hand and there were prints on the murder weapon and his case has been rejected a few times at the Supreme Court level. Mumia has a lot of support, like NAACP, many celebrities, a few heads of state, like France. He was made an honorary citizen of Paris and his books are even part of schools there. That's all I could think off.
on Sep 06, 2004
Rage was not anarchist. Their main message was resisting oppression all over the world.


Which is what got me, since they used Che Guevara as their icon. Che was pretty damned oppressive as Castro's right hand man.
on Sep 06, 2004
Actually Tom Morrello from the band formerly known as RATM went on Kroq when there was controversy over a concert they put on for Mumia's benefit. He's always been willing to go on his defense on any show. So ya, I do know.


Tom Morrello is not a defense attorney for Mumia. Putting him on O'Reilly would have been akin to putting Bob Dylan on Donahue in defense of Rubin Carter in the 70's. And, actually, if you do know, please link me to evidence where Morrello asked to go on O'Reilly and O'Reilly refused. If you KNOW, as you assert, then the evidence should be easy to provide (I will need pertinent information such as dates, etc.)

I still think, though, that putting a defense attorney on would make a more substantial case.

As for Mumia's case, I have looked at it pretty thoroughly, and, frankly, I'm having a hard time believing the man is innocent. For the record, I'm anti-death penalty, and would like to see his sentence commuted, but I think that a very high standard of proof needs to be set forth for a new trial, as it would come at an incredible cost to the taxpayers.
on Sep 06, 2004
Che was pretty damned oppressive as Castro's right hand man.


Have you been to Cuba? Most of the people there love him, contrary to what right wing pundits tell you. They have one of the highest literacy rates and one of the best health care systems in the world. His leading dissident is allowed to roam the streets and do what he wants to do. Even his so called "political prisoners" have been satisfied with the legal representation they have gotten.

If you KNOW, as you assert, then the evidence should be easy to provide


You said no one would be willing to go on O'Reilly because they were afraid of hardball questions. My point was that they never turn down interviews, like Tom Morello.

Tom Morrello is not a defense attorney for Mumia. Putting him on O'Reilly would have been akin to putting Bob Dylan on Donahue in defense of Rubin Carter in the 70's.


Not really. He's raised a lot of money for his defense team and he's a Harvard grad himself. He's been working on this case for years.

As for Mumia's case, I have looked at it pretty thoroughly, and, frankly, I'm having a hard time believing the man is innocent.


Well, the city of Paris disagrees and so do a hell of a lot of people.
on Sep 06, 2004
No, I said:

Actually, very few from the left will go on O'Reilly because he doesn't stick with softball questions. Case in point: Rosie O'Donnell had to defy her "handlers" in going on O'Reilly, as they all instructed her not to. I don't know if this is the case with Mumia's defenders, but frankly, neither do you.


"Very few" and "none" are not the same thing.

Well, the city of Paris disagrees and so do a hell of a lot of people.


Yet another sweeping assertion. I am absolutely positive that there are people in Paris who do NOT disagree, however, does the opinion of the city of Paris add legitimacy to it? No, no more than the opinion of Berlin added legitimacy to Hitler. As to the "hell of a lot of people", there are a hell of a lot of people who believe Mumia is guilty as well. Numbers of advocates do not necessarily mean a position is right or wrong.

Frankly, as to O'Reilly's not having Morello on the air: once again, I ask, can you show me when he requested for O'Reilly to put him on his show and when O'Reilly rejected him? I would honestly like to see this information.



Have you been to Cuba? Most of the people there love him, contrary to what right wing pundits tell you. They have one of the highest literacy rates and one of the best health care systems in the world. His leading dissident is allowed to roam the streets and do what he wants to do. Even his so called "political prisoners" have been satisfied with the legal representation they have gotten.


Including the ones he had executed?

Sorry, but I don't consider murderers to be against oppression. Murder is pretty damned oppressive, if you ask me.
on Sep 06, 2004

Have you been to Cuba? Most of the people there love him, contrary to what right wing pundits tell you. They have one of the highest literacy rates and one of the best health care systems in the world. His leading dissident is allowed to roam the streets and do what he wants to do. Even his so called "political prisoners" have been satisfied with the legal representation they have gotten.


What's the view of Kim Jong Il in North Korea? If it's positive, then he must be a good man against oppression. RATM should support him.

on Sep 06, 2004
"Very few" and "none" are not the same thing.


My point is that they are not afraid of going on O'Reilly's show. O'Reilly hasn't given them the chance to go on his show.

Sorry, but I don't consider murderers to be against oppression. Murder is pretty damned oppressive, if you ask me.


Ya, and instituting universal health care coverage and putting in one of the top school systems in the world was a crime against humanity. Cuba has one of the highest living conditions in Latin America as well. In 1998, Castro even offered to help the USA with the growing threat of terrorism.

What's the view of Kim Jong Il in North Korea?


Not all socialists agree with each other. Che Guevara was outspoken against the USSR and parts of Asia for violating human rights. Castro has said only had Hugo Chavez as his allie.

Kim Jong is even arming himself with nuclear bombs which have been predicted by many military personal to be capable of hitting the USA, but Iraq was still the right choice.
on Sep 06, 2004
I am a Republican. But O'Reilly is more of a republican than a democrat and he leans to the right. Ok, he is not an extremist. Do you think Peter Jennings is a left or a centrist? O'Reilly is as much a right-wing person as Jennings as a left-wing.
on Sep 06, 2004

Ya, and instituting universal health care coverage and putting in one of the top school systems in the world was a crime against humanity. Cuba has one of the highest living conditions in Latin America as well. In 1998, Castro even offered to help the USA with the growing threat of terrorism.


That justifies the murders he committed?


Not all socialists agree with each other. Che Guevara was outspoken against the USSR and parts of Asia for violating human rights. Castro has said only had Hugo Chavez as his allie.


I'm sure they aren't, but the fact is that North Koreans love him, which means he isn't oppressive.

on Sep 06, 2004
Folks:

Well, we're a bit off topic now but as a historian, I thought some perspective on governemnts, revolutionaries and Latin America should be noted for perspective. Che Guevera didn't just become a machete swinging bad guy as a teenager. The U.S. has a bad history of betrayal and poor policies in Latin America going back to Teddy Roosevelt and revolution is a tough, bloody, miserable thing.

Men like Pancho Villa and Ernesto Sandinista led revolts for the peasants in the 1900-1930 period in Latin America and it was well understood by 1930 by such revolutionareis that the U.S. was not to be trusted, would use any means to "eliminate" you when you ran contrary to their current political sentiments. Sandinista especially was coaxed out of the "hills" and then murdered by U.S. agents. So men like Castro and Guevera didn't sleep easy for good reason.

Into this background is born men like Guevera and Castro who begin as agrarian land reformers and then as time passes and they see "how U.S. policy wavers like the tide" become more and more convinced that trusting U.S. agents is tantamount to suicide. So, there is a plethora of abuses by the U.S. to consider. Those of you who want to think the U.S. does no wrong need to check out some history on this. We aren't disliked in Latin America without reason.

On the other hand, Cuba was attacked by the U.S. (Bay of Pigs, remember?) and I think if Cuba had attacked Miami we would all have a much different view of the Cubans. Was Cuba well led by Castro? I would say no but I understand why Castro has done much of what he has. He needed security and the Soviets provided it. He needed space from the Americans and received it in the form of other South American revolutions.

Guevera, who they are releasing a movie about as we write "The Motorcycle Diaries" is well worth a look if you are interested in his background.

So, yes, revolutionaries are a tough crowd, often find themselves in untenable political positions and more often than not a lot of innocents get killed because you can't tell the enemy from the loyal. But give Castro credit where it is due. He has maintained an U.S. un-friendly government for 50 years right on our doorstep and has tried to develop friendly relations with almost everyone but us (especially Mexico and Canada).
on Sep 06, 2004
I think the anti-cuba legislation in this country needs to be dropped. Frankly, it is hurting us as much as it is hurting them. It will help our economy to allow cubans to buy products from us. They have millions of additional people that haven't been able to buy our products since the 70's. We trade with china, why not cuba? Castro will eventually die, and then a democracy would be possibly instituted by their people. But if they don't want a capitalist demoncracy, so be it. Let's trade with them anyways, it will help us and them.
on Sep 06, 2004
On the other hand, Cuba was attacked by the U.S. (Bay of Pigs, remember?)


Well, not exactly. CIA helped train & the Air Force was supposed to provide air cover & didn't, but the guys hung out to dry on the beach were virtually all Cubans. Castro may have had noble beginnings, but he's been just another thug since shortly after rising to power and has harmed his people immensely through his selfish obstinence. I'll give him credit for that.

Cheers,
Daiwa
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