OR: The Difference Between Editting and Reporting the News...
Published on August 31, 2004 By CrispE In Politics
I attended a recent showing of "Outfoxed" which was billed by those that I had heard speak of it as a left wing attempt at bashing Rupert Murdoch and Foxnews for right wing bias in editting the news to fit the propoganda mechanism that is the current right wing administration. There were descriptions that included "poor quality filming and camera work" as well as "editting issues" that made the film in part unwatchable. However, the film raises several issues that should be considered regardless of your political persuasion because the issue of news reporting is central in a republic to the decision making process of the people.

Thomas Jefferson (who as President received criticsm quite often, sometimes very undeserved) said that the country was better off with a "free press and not a free government" than vice-versa. What Jefferson meant by a free press was that the media that reports the news should take a critical eye to what government did to ensure that the people were getting both sides of the argument the government would present.

Governments have their own information dissemanation methods including spokespeople to voice their own points of view as well as contacts within the "edittorial community" (the talking heads and pundits who bombard us with their opinions of what the personalities of politics are doing). The news organizations then must take pains to scrutinize the information provided as well as digging nto the issues that face us and present us with all sides.

The history of propoganda in the world is full of examples of when the press does not take on the aspect of presenting the public with a well rounded look at issues. Consider PRAVDA in the old Soviet Union. The purpose of PRAVDA was to tell the people that the Soviet Union was the best place in the world, everything was getting better and better and say problems were temporary and that sooner rather than later everyone would be living the good life. All people needed to do was what the government thought was best for them, not question, and accept that their sacrifice was worthwhile.

Is this the argument Outfoxed makes? It certainly takes Fox, fox reporters and producers and personalities (Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and Brit Hume) to task for multiple occurences of bias in mixing opinion with news until the line between the two are so blurred that the viewer would be hard pressed to tell where one starts and the other ends. But further, it illustrates the connection between making money by all news organizations and content of broadcasts. This includes the major networks as well as CNN.

Many of you might think (as I did at one time) that CNN was the balance to Fox but this is now in question in my own mind because the methods of "spinning" that Fox is often accused of are widespread on CNN in an attempt to keep advertising dollars that might leave with lower ratings. So, does that mean that the advertisers are really in control of the news media and the ultimate determination of what we see and how we see it?

To answer this you have to ask yourself what the advertisers want you to see. Do they want you to question the government? Is uncertainty in the future to their advantage? Do you buy more stuff when you feel good or unsure?

Personally I think that the smoke and mirrors in the stock market may be the best indication of this. Consider the unemployment rate and the increases we have seen in inflation and unrest and the world and there does seem to be a disconnect between the reality and how the news is portrayed in the media. Questioning by all news sources is muted and we are constantly reminded that the new car, house, and job are just around the corner.

Remind you of anything?


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on Sep 03, 2004
No marriage for gays isn't a vision.....

Outlawing abortion isn't a vision....



No abortion or gay marriage?! Sounds like a vision to me!

Not that I'm supporting Bush, but those cultural wedge issues really get the attention of some wouldn't you agree?
on Sep 03, 2004
The comments about Kerry.. Now how many of you have actually looked up all of his voting records to see why he did or did not vote for any bills? I can bet not one of you had your basing your statements on only what a party says, or some talking head. I know for a fact that Kerry has voted in a intelligent and eithical manner on every single bill. Yes he did vote for the war in Iraq for example. But this was after everyone was promised that war would be the last resort. When the 87 billion was on the table he voted it down strickly due to no layout of where the monies would be spent.. At that time our soldiers were in Iraq and did not have hardly any equipment they needed. Body armor and the other things were often sent over by family. If the bill for the 87 billion had an audit on what the money would be spent for he would have voted YES! This is just one example of the crap the GOP is spouting. How about those swiftboat vets for truth? The backbone of this group was bought and paid for years ago. It is all documented if you look it up. Peace good comments by everyone negative and positive.
on Sep 03, 2004

Well, if O'Reilly and the others aren't news reporters why not call the network "Fox Opinion and Comment"? Because the main thrust of their appeal is they act as if they are reporters and portray themselves as such.

Are you aware that Newspapers have editorials? Should newspapers be renamed "Paper Opinion and Comment"?  O'Reilly doesn't try to imply he's a news reporter and has many times explicitly said he's the equivalent of the editorial page. If you watched the show, you would know that.

on Sep 03, 2004
I know for a fact that Kerry has voted in a intelligent and eithical manner on every single bill.

Which is one of the principal reasons I am voting for GB. Nearly twenty years of such "intelligent and ethical" votes are more than sufficient to establish a pattern of misguided thinking. I don't want someone with a 19-year track record of being wrong, and who has a wishful-thinking world view, making decisions affecting the security of our country.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Sep 03, 2004
Are you aware that Newspapers have editorials? Should newspapers be renamed "Paper Opinion and Comment"? O'Reilly doesn't try to imply he's a news reporter and has many times explicitly said he's the equivalent of the editorial page. If you watched the show, you would know that.


Hear Here, O' Reilly has opinions, and is exactly like a Newspaper Editor, love them or hate them, their opinions do not reflect the paper or in O'Reilly's case Fox, and I think he still has to state that fact once in a while.
I watch O'Reilly because sometimes he is just plain funny. Doesn't matter who you are, if he has a big question on you he will set in the frying pan and crank it to high. Speaking of which did anybody catch the Bills Battle, O'Reilly vs. Maher. Maher was talking about the Rich get too much back in taxes, and O'Reilly said well I have a form from the IRS here, you can fill it out and give all that money back, Maher just stuttered than went onto a subject change, I was laughing my arse off.
on Sep 03, 2004
Draginol:

I have watched O'Reilly many times. Should "op-ed" pages be called "op-ed"? Yes and they are, right? The news is in the front and that section is near the back of the section. But FoxNEWS or Cable NEWS Network either needs to clearly label their "Op-Ed" or split it off. They won't because blurring the 2 is how they make the money, control public opinion, etc. because too much news and comment is not labelled either way so the viewer thinks he is getting news when, in fact, he is getting spin. It happens on both sides, should happen on neither.
on Sep 03, 2004
Daiwa:

I have no concern over whom you will vote for except I congratulate you that you are voting. However, if you are going to vote, consider the following for both men:

1. If you think Bush is the better leader, then why is the stock market lower now than the beginning of the year, oil and natural resources cost more (many at 20 year highs) over 900,000 jobs have been lost in the last 4 years and the budget deficit is at all time highs?

2. If you think Kerry is better to deal with the economy and the world, how do you answer the criticism that he has been essentially the junior senator from Massachusetts and has little practical experience in dealing with international politics and terrorism?

Those are the issues that will determine the election.
on Sep 03, 2004
Deference:

The difference between defining issues and having vision is the difference between looking at parts of a painting but never having sight of the entire picture. The right seems to want to define itself in terms of what John Kerry doesn't represent and not in how to show us a picture of where America should go.

If you follow the picture of the first 4 years it would not be a pretty picture in terms of the economy or our international relations with most of the world. This has lead us to a looming economic disaster and political suicide because unilateral action on our part can only mean defensive reaction by countries like Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia.
on Sep 03, 2004
1. If you think Bush is the better leader, then why is the stock market lower now than the beginning of the year, oil and natural resources cost more (many at 20 year highs) over 900,000 jobs have been lost in the last 4 years and the budget deficit is at all time highs?


Here's my short list:

1. 9/11
2. Tech stock crash
3. Major corporate ponzi schemes (e.g., Enron, WorldCom)
4. Uprecedented spike in world demand for crude oil (e.g., China, India)

That's "why." All Bush has managed to do is avoid an even bigger economic disaster, something us ingrates ought to acknowledge. For all the talk of lost jobs, the unemployment rate is exactly where it was at the end of Clinton's 1st term, something I consider a stunning success given the magnitude of the negative economic impact of the just the 4 factors I listed. And the economy would be far worse off if the stimulus of deficits (and tax cuts) was not there. Recall what the deficit spending for WW2 did - ushered in the greatest era of peacetime prosperity in our history to that point, even after pouring billions into the Marshall Plan. I may be a Republican and a fiscal conservative, but there are times when you need to borrow to get by - this is one of them.

Cheers,
Daiwa

on Sep 03, 2004
Bush may not be stupid, but his economic policies, like those of reagan, are. I find it humorous that one can possibly give accolades to bush for his tax cuts and other fiscally disasterous moves.
on Sep 03, 2004
Bush may not be stupid, but his economic policies, like those of reagan, are. I find it humorous that one can possibly give accolades to bush for his tax cuts and other fiscally disasterous moves.
on Sep 03, 2004

CripsE: Do you know what the 8pm line-up of CNN, MSNBC and CNBC is? Editorial content.  From 8pm ton 11pm none of them have hard news, they do news analysis. 

If you want to talk conservative,  watch Dennis Miller on CNBC is outright says he's a Republican. Or Scarborough country on MSNBC who is a former Republican congressman.  Similarly, MSNBC has Chris Mathews, a liberal, hosting a show that competes with O'Reilly.

on Sep 03, 2004
Daiwa:

The "borrowing" is not fiscally conservative and there is no indication it will stop in the next 4 years creating economic disaster so great we might never be able to deal with it. Is this not terrorism by default? But instead of advocating we cut programs in his acceptance speech Bush advocated programs that would add 100's of billions of dollars over the next term. Can you honestly say this is line with your beliefs?

If it is, you are no fiscal conservative....
on Sep 03, 2004
CrispE:

We'll see whether his proposals mean "more" spending as opposed to "different" spending, but as you and I know, so few campaign promises ever survive Congress that we're wasting our breath arguing that point. Same for any of Kerry's.

As to whether borrowing is against my beliefs, no it's not. I borrowed big time to get my business off the ground. Individuals and businesses borrow all the time to bridge downturns. But I sure don't borrow unless 1) I need to, or 2) it makes economic sense (the cost of money is lower than the cost of deferring spending). In our current circumstances, we need to. That doesn't make me a fiscal liberal, it just makes me sensible. If being a fiscal conservative means in your mind that the minute you run out of cash in hand you fold your tent & go home, I'm not that.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Sep 03, 2004
I quit too soon.

Our economy is not something that can be as finely tuned and controlled as some seem to think. And it is far more resilient than even fiscal conservatives are willing to admit, but we now have actual experience showing how it can be crippled by terrorist acts. It has survived monstrous deficits before and rebounded to surpluses, so all the "sky is falling" talk on that account doesn't worry me much. I still feel pretty good about my children's prospects, and those of their children, on that score. If we fail to effectively deal with the terrorist threat, however, we may not have much of an economy to worry about.

Cheers,
Daiwa
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