OR: Are Sports More Important Than Faith?
Published on August 17, 2004 By CrispE In Politics
(This article reflects my sense of anxiety over what is a religious issue in a sense. However, I decided to put on the Politics Forum because it is about using laws to promote values in society.)

Recently a long time friend invited me to a meeting of the education committee at my church. I no longer have children (well, she's 25, so, sort of, but not really) and spend most of my time in trying to encourage young families whom are seeking God to come and see what our church is all about. But I agreed because I believe in education (was a teacher once upon a time) and was interested in how the Sunday School was doing.

It was quite surprising to me that the Sunday School Committee was actually suggesting that perhaps Sunday School was going to be cancelled in the fall because it wasn't felt that there was enough interest from the kids to make it worthwhile to have. So, in an effort to see if the kids and parents would be too disappointed by this (churches hate to lose anyone through "disappointment") they held a "fun night" to see how the kids felt about this.

Perhaps in the interest of fairness I should say that I don't believe kids should have a say in whether they go to Sunday School. That is, to me, a parental responsibility. When my daughter became 2 years old she began Christian education and her mother and I attended every week also. It's part of what some people call "family values" as opposed to the parent who says "this looks Christian, kid, you go while Mom and Dad sit and read the paper Sunday mornings." That teaches values also, just not very good ones.

What I found out quickly was that the kids were so involved in sports programs on Sunday morning that they had no time for Sunday School. There were 16 kids at the meeting ranging from 8 to 15 years in age. 10 of them had at least a 6 week commitment to either junior football (Pop Warner) or cheerleading for junior football or were involved in youth basketball or volleyball programs during the winter. 2 of the others were involved in bowling leagues that ran from October to March that met Sunday mornings.

I was outraged by this. Obviously there is no sense among parents that faith requires participation in Christian education and it's much easier to get Jane and Johnny to go to sports programs than church. The kids were ambivalent about their faith with a very poor understanding of the role of worship, Bible study, or even fellowship in their lives.

Now I understand proposing to the local government that sports programs not be allowed to operate on Sunday morning (except the Summer) is going to meet with both skepticism and derision. Those on the liberal side will say that we don't need a law to accomplish the purpose of getting kids into christian education programs. It should be up to the parents a liberal will say and suggest an education program for the adults to show them the benefits and joy of Bible study. Conservatives will say this is meddling intrusively into families when there are much worse problems that need dealing with.

But, before you scoff so quickly, consider the use of law in society. It is not simply a device for stating what is wrong. True, saying that stealing, murder, blackmail is not actually promoting good behavior. However, what about laws which promote having children? We certainly do that by the tax breaks we give. It is, at least in part, promoting the social value of a family by agreeing as a government to provide some support.

The thing is, while I might have been a flack-jacketed parent whipping my child daily, forcing her to attend Sunday School, most parents today aren't. They might wish Jane or Johnny wanted to go to church but sports are, believe it or not, more fun. Shameful but true. But we don't give up teaching science or math to kids because it isn't fun. We recognize the value of education and promote the concept by forcing kids to attend schools.

I'm not suggesting we do that with Christian Education. I'm suggesting we level the playing field between a society that says it has values (you do have values, don't you?) and the ability of someone to run youth sports on Sunday mornings.

Do you really think that is asking for too much?


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on Aug 19, 2004
it is a blatant violation of seperation of church and state


Yes it is. You want quiet time? I respect that. You can have quiet time in your house. What do you have to say to that?
on Aug 19, 2004
Even if you take out the blatant religious context and call it "National Break Time" or whatever, the government is still dictating what the people should be doing with their time. If anything, it would probably make people more pressed for time because it eats up their spare time that they normally use for grocery shopping, getting the car fixed, etc.

I believe that parents should make the choice for the kids, BUT that is not the reality I see. I see parents who have a choice between church and sports (one which kids like, the other they don't) and they make an easy decision. Now, you could argue maybe church should be more "fun" but sooner or later we ask kids to think in church. Yikes! Thinking? Where's my volleyball, football, hockey stick, basketball, badminton racquet, tennis balls, etc.???!!!


You're suggesting that there is a right and wrong choice here. Who are you to say that parents are wrong for allowing their kids to play sports on the weekends? Church may be the right choice for you and your family, but it certainly isn't for other families. Also, this isn't a matter of "which is funner?!?!" It's a matter of "which has more value to me and my family?" For my family, doing family activities (which includes, but is not limited to, sports) is more valuable than sitting at church, doing the same things we can do at home (or anywhere else for that matter). Not everyone needs to be sitting in a church to worship God.

It is not a hammer and does not violate freedoms because we do set aside times in other activities (for example buying alcohol and cigarettes in many communities).


Somehow, I don't think alcohol and cigarettes are on the same par with youth sports. In fact, youth sports help keep kids from doing drugs and joining gangs. Therefore, youth sports shouldn't be treated like alcohol and cigarettes and outlawed at certain times of that day.

For the most part parents drop off their kids (much as the same as Sunday School). The idea is to get away from the kids, not spend time with them. They attend some games but even then they are observers of the games, not Johnny or Jane.


Yes, some parents do just dump their kids off at Sunday School, sports games, etc. But not all of them do. Anyway, what these parents decide to do is not for you to scrutinize unless it's actually harming the kids (and by harming, I don't mean "These kids are growing up with the wrong set of values and an incomplete understanding of Christianity all because they went to a basketball tournament on Sunday! They're forever going to be plagued with bad judgment and a warped conscience!") If the parents are dumping their kids off to go drink and drive their kids home drunk, then that presents a clear threat to the kids' welfare. You can't force families together. For some families, more time together means more problems together. Sunday School and church can't fix that. A sound understanding of Christian morals isn't always enough.

I think youth sports and Sunday School are great activities for kids, but it depends on the kid and the family. I don't want to see Sunday School forced onto people, just like I wouldn't want to see youth sports forced onto people. If this discussion was about "encouraging" kids to join youth sports by halting Sunday School, I'd be against it too.
on Aug 19, 2004
excellent points. if you want to take it farther, what if i think church should be discourage, because its just sitting. we have a huge obesity problem in the US, so everyone from 8-12 on sunday has to play youth sports? oh wait, no thats idioitic
on Aug 19, 2004
double post
on Aug 19, 2004
OK, I lived in the South growing up. I played sports. We did not have practice/games on Wednesdays or Sunday mornings. There was no law, just parents who talked to the city parks and recreations dept. and asked that they not allow the scheduling of games on Wednesday nights or Sunday mornings.

I will say that playing sports helped shape my values almost as much as church. Why?

1) I had parental involvement in my life....both spiritual and sports.

2) Sports taught me team work, responsibility, toughing it out and helped build my self esteem (church often made me feel left out b/c I was not in the church "clique" with the other kids).

3) Church taught me to pray for safety in my sporting events (for everyone) and that it was not very nice or right to intentionally hurt someone to win, etc.

4) Both sports and church activities took up my time. Time I could have used to get into bad, bad things.

5) I am proud to say that none of the girls I played sports with or went to church with ended up pregnant (Just the worst thing that could happen to you in those days.)

However, through it all I had my mother and to a lesser degree my father. They taught me, just as sports and church did that every action has a consequence.
on Aug 19, 2004
if you want to take it farther, what if i think church should be discourage, because its just sitting. we have a huge obesity problem in the US, so everyone from 8-12 on sunday has to play youth sports? oh wait, no thats idioitic


Hahahha.. excelent way to show the insanity of such a law as was proposed.
on Aug 19, 2004
This is the most offensive topic I have ever seen. What a conceited jackass. "lets make fun activities illegal on sunday because its more important that I get the satisfaction of seeing the kids learn about my religion then it is for parents to make their own choices about what their own kids are allowed to do".
on Aug 19, 2004
cwarsh,

While I hold many of the same political views as you, I would like to encourage you to be a bit more diplomatic in your responses. Crisp is an excellent blogger, and while I disagree with this view, there are better ways to address it than degenerating into namecalling.
on Aug 19, 2004
in this case i think its called for
on Aug 20, 2004
While I hold many of the same political views as you, I would like to encourage you to be a bit more diplomatic in your responses. Crisp is an excellent blogger, and while I disagree with this view, there are better ways to address it than degenerating into namecalling.


I agree, just so you know, Crisp, I've no ill will towards you either, and the article you wrote a while back about allow lefties to marry was a brilliant metaphor, I enjoyed it immensely.
on Aug 20, 2004
To everyone (in no particular order):

I appreciate everyone's comments and indeed, many are wotrthwhile. However, you seem to forget a few important points. First, setting aside time on Sunday mornings is not an invasion of your privacy nor does it require you to do anything. Second, you have 168 hours in a week and everything has some controls. Think of the activities that are limited and tell me why this is "so outrageous" unless it is outrageous the other activities are limited also.

The fact is: Sundays are becoming more and more just another day. What will you say when businesses require you work longer because Sunday is "just another day"? Hmmm? Will you quote scripture and claim that Sunday (or Saturday in the case of Jews and Seventh Day Adventists) must be kept "holy"? Truth is, you have already said you don't want it holy or controlled.

But remember the golden rule of business: Them with the gold makes the rules. Right now tradition and the church is all that stands between you and longer and longer work weeks. Of course, that might be even more fun!

Finally, since the end of World War II the breakdown of the family in the United States has been one of it's biggest problems. Is it a coincidence that church attendence is down over 40% since then?
on Aug 20, 2004
Right now tradition and the church is all that stands between you and longer and longer work weeks. Of course, that might be even more fun!


Many people don't have sunday off, and that is not a bad thing. The problem with your theory, is that though well thought out, you missed the fact that businesses can't do what people won't let them. People may not be willing to work on sundays, and unless they are willing to pay more business can't make them. The other thing is that sunday is just a day off. To you it may be a day that is holy, however to the government it is a 7th day in the week. I have to leave now, as it is friday evening and I have plans, but I will give some more details later.
on Aug 20, 2004
That sounds slightly better...but the fact still remains that this is asking for the government to dictate how we spend our time. We don't need this kind of micro-managing. It really steps on our independence, even if the intention is to "give us a break" or something. It's taking away the freedom to choose.

Something that keeps bothering me though is the insinuation that it is bad parenting and a wrong choice not to send children to Sunday School, and children who play sports on Sundays have weak-willed parents who are giving in to the children's wishes. There is no right or wrong choice here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing to spend Sundays doing something other than church activities. Everyone worships in their own way, and a Christian education doesn't have to be learned in a Sunday School classroom. It's wrong to look down on parents who don't choose to send their kids to Sunday School.
on Aug 20, 2004
I appreciate everyone's comments and indeed, many are wotrthwhile. However, you seem to forget a few important points. First, setting aside time on Sunday mornings is not an invasion of your privacy nor does it require you to do anything. Second, you have 168 hours in a week and everything has some controls. Think of the activities that are limited and tell me why this is "so outrageous" unless it is outrageous the other activities are limited also.


Personally, we shut down on Sundays. It is our day of rest, and it's dedicated to God and to the family. But that is a personal choice.

The problem is, you are basically asking that such an observance be made MANDATORY. That's really what the issue's about.

Let's say you had your way. Would we then begin policing the parks and arresting anyone caught within their parameters with sporting equipment? And if it didn't improve Sunday School attendance, should we then change the law even further to require that these people be in places of worship, conducting house to house searches to insure they comply? And what would be a just penalty for repeated, egregious offenses?

I agree that moral standards in this country have slipped, and badly. I disagree that the solution is to force them to go to church, synagogue, mosque, what have you...this doesn't create a nation of moral people; it instead creates a nation of hypocrites (example: Jerusalem in the time of Christ).

Crisp, you have some excellent ideas, and I am 100% behind your intent here. But I think your approach is completely misguided.
on Aug 20, 2004
CrispE-The idea of forcing organizations to no longer hold sports events on Sundays is a noble goal, however it is too much influence of the Church on the State. What about those families who practice a different religion or perhaps do not believe in religion at all? It is unconstitiutional to prohibit them from playing sports on Sundays simply because you and I feel our children should attend Sunday school. In some ways I hate the seperation of Church and State but in other ways I am glad to have such a system in place. Take a look at the history behind this matter, that law was created over two hundred years ago by men who escaped religious persecution. When the church and state are combined it does many things (some of which are real bad news), but two consequences stand out in my mind. First the corruption of the Church, Europe was plunged into years of religious wars after the Vatican began selling forgiveness from God -Churches should be not-for-profit, not-for-politics, but for a place to worship and nothing more. When the two entities are combined it also allows Preachers, Priests, etc to tell us to vote for a certain candidate. This is one of the dumbest things I have seen in my 23 years of living on this fine little planet. Do not ever let someone tell you how to vote, learn for yourself otherwise you are an ignorant voter (remember ignorance is simply stupidity because someone is not informed on the matter). Back to the point, you cannot mandate that everyone in an area will attend Sunday school instead of Sunday sports, the Supreme Court would strike it down as Unconstitutional (not even a maybe, they would). I am a strong Christian as well as someone entering the field of Politics in the next year or so when I graduate. Like I said before your idea is a noble one, but unfeasible. Let me provide an alternative. If it is a local YMCA I cannot believe that they would host sports events on a Sunday and I would contact the director of your local YMCA or someone who fills the roll of a regional manager or spokesperson. If it is a school sporting event they cannot penalize the children for attending Sunday school instead of Sports events. This is just as Unconstitutional as forcing Kids to go to church instead of sports. Coaches cannot legally penalize a child for not attending due to their religious beliefs. All sporting leagues have their own management members who coordinate efforts within the organization. Contact these people and explain the points to them. If they feel like it is not worth changing the day in which things are held then unfortunately you cannot do anything about these leagues except promote parents to not enroll the children in those organizations. Parents, if you feel this way look up Christian organizations that hold sports events, there are usually plenty. You should be able to satisfy your child's needs for sports while still worshipping as much as you want your kids to worship. I hope I have provided an alternative to your suggestion while keeping your ideas you wish to convey.
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