OR: Is Arlen Specter Really Too Liberal?
Published on November 15, 2004 By CrispE In Politics
Arlen Specter, Chairman of the Senate Judicial Committee, is a Republican from Pennsylvania where he has served as a conservative representative for over 20 years. Specter is generally considered to be fiscally conservative and has fought against government expenditure for such programs as healthcare for many years. Democrats are said to see him as less moderate than many in the Senate but someone who can be reasoned with on matters of substance. But Specter has "pro-choice" stamped on his forehead in a time when as many as 4 Supreme Court justices may be chosen and the neocons see him as a block to the neoconservative agenda of overturning Roe V. Wade and sending abortions back into alleys and brothels.

Specter has supported Preseident Bush almost 100% of the time but sees his role on the Judicial Committee as a bond of honor to the country. He does not want to see abortion become a more divisive issue than it is now but sees the religious right as a threat to "strict constructionistism" because the agenda of religious leaders extends far beyond abortion.

What Specter did not anticipate is that the President he has supported and believes in would turn on him as being a traitor to Republican values by his stance on choice. Once again, the Bush administration shows itself to not be conservative in any appreciable way and indeed to be a radical group of people who used the Republican Party to gain power and then fights within the party to move the it to their radical position.

The Democratic Party is often accused of being a concensus of 20 separate interest groups and certainly the commonality (the big tent approach) of the party is that supporting each other is better than letting the opposition steal the agenda. The re-election of Mr. Bush has shown the concensus to have failed to do this. Indeed, the Bush administration believes it has a mandate to change tax laws, social security, and how justice is done in the U.S. If the Democrats are going to gain any chance to make input in these issues then it is going to need at least a sympathetic ear to listen.

If you would have suggested before now that Arlen Specter would have such an ear before now I think that few would have agreed. However, I think Senator Specter is going to find out how far away his party has moved from his values and ideals. Senator Frist, the Majority Leader in the Senate, a potential candidate in 2008 is already looking away from Specter and considering alternatives to his chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee. Many others in the Senate are lining up against Specter, running scared from the monster in the White House who will stop at nothing to shape the United States in "his image."

This signals an even more important turn in the course of post-election America. It is a continuing revolution in the Republican "Party" that wil continue to adopt more and more of the leadership of the Jerry Falwells and Pat Robertsons whom many even in conservative congregations see as extremists. But as "moderates" are pushed out of the way like Colin Powell and Arlen Specter the agenda of the neocons becomes a possibility. Deficit spending, more tax cuts, extremist justice and more burdens placed on the workers and the poor are just some of the future as the administration moves closer and closer to it's core philosophy.

Is this really what you wanted when you voted for Bush?

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on Nov 15, 2004
yeah, I had to go for the cheapie shot...

on Nov 15, 2004
Of course Spector's detractors also fail to realize that he is a moderate Republican whose constituency is conprised of liberals, moderates, and a small number of the far-right . Pennsylvanian Republicans are by far more moderate than in other states. His job is to serve his constituency as a whole and not just the minority faction within his state. He has no duty to represent the far right agenda outside of his state. Again, the far right can't seem to understand that his job is to advance the will of his constituency as a whole and not just one segment of it. The majority of Pennsylvanians do not want Roe v. Wade touched and that includes the majority of his moderate Republican constituents. The fact that he stands up for what the majority of his constituents wants, leave him open for attack by his own party and he is labeled in a derogatory fashion as "disloyal," and with terms such as "RINO." This whole situation further underscores that the far right is not open to dissenting opinion or alternative points of view. If you are not with them, even as a member of the Republican party, you are against them. You will be targeted, silenced, and ousted. There is no room for compromise. Spector's job is not to cow tow to Religous right pressures coming from outside of his state. His job is to represent ALL Pennsylvanians as best he can. I lived in Pa when Spector was reelected many times and I voted for him because he was a moderate as did the majority of his constituents.

"If the Bush team had not gotten behind Specter, he'd have been gone, even if replaced by a Democrat. " That is correct which is further evidence that Pennsylvanians would not tolerate an extreme right social agenda. They would vote for a Democrat before an extreme right candidate. I suppose that was never even taken into consideration before the far right started labeling him as a non-Republican. I guess it never occurred to them that you can be fiscally conservative and socially moderate? No. You have to adopt the the far right social agenda or risk being targeted and forced out of the Republican party. Keep doing that and you will just force moderates to become independent swing voters or conservative Democrats.
on Nov 15, 2004
Gosh, you mean Specter wants George Bush to live up to his debate promise not to use abortion as a litmus test for judges? How dare him! Given Bush's record on his 2000 debate promises, Specter should realize that this is a man who says one thing to get elected and does another once elected. Damn that Arlen Specter! Damn him for his honesty! Damn him to hell!
on Nov 15, 2004
Reply #19 By: Citizen T_Bone4Justice - 11/15/2004 3:45:28 PM
Of course Spector's detractors also fail to realize that he is a moderate Republican whose constituency is conprised of liberals, moderates, and a small number of the far-right . Pennsylvanian Republicans are by far more moderate than in other states. His job is to serve his constituency as a whole and not just the minority faction within his state.


Very true about representing his own constituency, and not the rest of the nation, but a commitee chairman has a larger obligation to the party and/or to the country.

That is why there's such a fight going on here. Specter as a commitee member is fine. Specter as a chairman, responsible for helping to push nominees through, is a completely different thing.


And btw, there are plenty of more "moderate" and/or liberal Republicans, including Olympia Snow, Lincoln Chaffee, and a few others. (About 5 - 7 moderate to liberal leaning Republicans at last count, maybe 3 - 10 -- depending on how you count -- true moderate types, and the rest typically tilted more to the conservative side).


Myrr - you can grouse about W.'s debate statements, but in the end what most conservatives want are judges that will not make law but instead will interpret and/or apply the laws that are written by legislatures and will do no more than decide constitutionality of laws that are written. We don't need judges like the Florida Supremes that decide that they can override the will of the people as written into law by the Florida legislature, or judges like the ones in New Jersey that decide that election law can be tossed aside in order to save the Democratic party from it's own mistakes. Laws are laws. If they are constitutional, they should be upheld and honored, not tossed aside because someone decides they want different results.
on Nov 15, 2004
Myrrander:

I don't think it was cheap. It was honest and relevant (just a bit too easy) AND it was my second choice! Hehehe.
on Nov 15, 2004
terpfan 1980:

I think the problem is that Bush "talks" about building concensus, reaching out to moderates and working with others and the truth seems to be that he has an agenda and woe be it if you have any other opinion.

Now, maybe like Little_Whip that is what you voted for. You trust Bush so fully and implicitly that any decision he makes is gospel. But I would say most Americans would not agree with that concept.
on Nov 15, 2004
It seems that when judges follow the GOP party line, they are "good constructionists" but when they differ from the GOP party line they are "activist judges." At least be honest and say that you only want judges who rule the way you believe. That's all I'm asking for is some HONESTY from the Republicans. You all have woven yourselves this web of euphemistic lies and now you're stuck and don't even realize it. The left wants judges who rule in their favor. So does the right. At least be HONEST about it, geez.
on Nov 15, 2004
Reply #24 By: Myrrander - 11/15/2004 4:15:29 PM
It seems that when judges follow the GOP party line, they are "good constructionists" but when they differ from the GOP party line they are "activist judges." At least be honest and say that you only want judges who rule the way you believe. That's all I'm asking for is some HONESTY from the Republicans. You all have woven yourselves this web of euphemistic lies and now you're stuck and don't even realize it. The left wants judges who rule in their favor. So does the right. At least be HONEST about it, geez.


I'm happy to be honest about my beliefs.

Judges that make rules where none existed are activist, no matter whether they are doing so in decisions that support liberals or conservatives.

Judges that apply the law as written, or determine that the law is unconstitutional and bounce cases back because of it, are what I would normally call good jurists.

Judges need not follow the GOP party line. If a judge looks at an anti-abortion bill and calls it unconstitutional because it is, then so be it. They've done their job. If they look at the same bill and decide to implement a totally different set of rules because they know better than the legislature, then they are activist.

Easy example, the mayor in San Francisco (or was it chief councilmember?) that decided on his own that the laws that barred gay marriage were unconstitutional and could be suspended and/or ignored - ACTIVIST. If he were a judge and had handed down such a decision, he'd clearly be an activist.
on Nov 15, 2004
Myrrander and Terpfan:

Well, just my opinion, but here is what I like to see in judges, especially on the Supreme Court: Common Sense. For example, the ruling that said that a defendent in a criminal case deserves to have a lawyer to defend them (Gideon ruling). It doesn't say such a thing in the Constitution but the Supreme Court said that "equal protections under the law" IMPLIED that as common sense.

Terpfan, would you disagree with the court because you would say that it is "activist judgement"?
Myrrander, how is this what the "left" wants? Isn't it about looking at law in light of society and making decisions that balance law and practice? Consider pornography. Making a ruling saying it's up to the local community to make the decision on it essentially says the law trusts people in the neighborhood more than the state. But is that "liberal"?
on Nov 15, 2004

Judges that apply the law as written, or determine that the law is unconstitutional and bounce cases back because of it, are what I would normally call good jurists

so youre saying that roe v wade was flawed because the texas law it overturned didn't infringe on the protections guaranteed by the constitution? 

on Nov 15, 2004

We don't need judges like the Florida Supremes that decide that they can override the will of the people as written into law by the Florida legislature

but supreme court justices who inexplicably determine that case to be the one exception to their consistent histories of refusing to consider very similar state supreme court rulings are needed?  by whom?

on Nov 15, 2004
Is this really what you wanted when you voted for Bush?


Yes.


ditto. although I differ highly in my interpretation of the situation and in my politics, oh crispE one.
on Nov 15, 2004
Sheesh.

It's not yet 2 weeks since the election. And I crack up at how people just know everyone else's motives and thoughts, blythely jumping to conclusions based on their own prejudices. It's getting to be more Comedy Central here than Joe User.

Specter, after having his ass pulled out of the fire by the President and his campaign, was an idiot to say anything and he has no one but himself to blame if he gets uninvited for the job. Jon Kyl is no fool and would be a very good chairman, just to name a viable alternative. The sky staying up doesn't depend on Specter. "Seeing" in this anything but Specter shooting himself in the foot, such as a "signal of an important turn in the course of post-election America," is either wishful thinking or fear-mongering, or maybe just silly.

Why don't we just wait to see what we get before we start complaining about something that may not happen? It's going to take a few months for things to settle in.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 15, 2004
Spc Nobody Special:

I would expect everyone to have somewhat different ideas on situations, after all, that is what creates debate in the first place. However, the concept that Bush policy must be followed was a theme in the first 4 years and now it seems that the edict against debate in the Congress, which many on the left cited as dangerous would seem to extend to both parties.

It is usually in debate that compromise is found and practiced. "My way or the Highway" precludes debate and in fact, negates the ability of the Congress to act independently and renders it "quaint" as Mr. Gonzales would say.

Many would see that path as dangerous.
on Nov 15, 2004
Daiwa:

Overturning a sitting chairman from a committee in the Senate is almost unheard of. The concept that Specter should have said nothing suggests that debate is a problem among political leaders. I find that alarming that anyone would suggest anyone shouldn't enjoy "freedom of speech" because they are a Senator.

Sources are saying that Bill Frist will now oppose Specter and he has enough support to unseat him as chairman. So, I guess the question isn't too early, it may well be too late.
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