or: Do You Think Before You Rant?
Published on November 8, 2004 By CrispE In Politics
The 2004 Election has been the most emotional in my lifetime, perhaps in history besides Lincoln-Douglas in 1860. (Of course, a bit of a war broke out over that one.) However, now that the election is over, the politicians and candidates have called for reconcilliation and healing of the rift between right and left. Before you shout me down telling me to "shut up" (thank you Mr. O'Reilly) consider a few things you are doing by the efforts on both sides to make our country totally contentious and hateful.

First, Democrats: there are efforts under way to get a review of the election results and so writing that the party should are unnecesary. Republicans don't want to hear this, I'm sure, but it would seem that the number of complaints is outweighing the "sour grapes" outcry. Will this lead to an "election reversal"? Who knows? But the point is that the effort is underway.

Second, Republicans: It isn't going to heal the country or the rift by telling people to leave the country if they don't love President Bush. Americans should unite behind our commonality as Americans and our attempts to be the best country we can be. That includes the Democrats and Independents who you might disagree with on the election results. You don't want the opposition to leave as that will only create a most hateful situation because the ones who leave will be the moderates, not the extremists.

Third, Republicans and Democrats: No matter what you might feel right now in terms of the election, the government is not a closed system. You may question, protest, debate, petition and be as active politically as you choose for the next 4 years. This election was not about the end of the future. This election (as in all national elections) will be overturned in 2008 when we elect a new president, regardless of the party he represents.

Until then remember, we are all Americans. We may or may not work together as politically as we could, but we have a right to be whom we are and do what we do. Democrat and Republican.

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on Nov 08, 2004
"Second, Republicans: It isn't going to heal the country or the rift by telling people to leave the country if they don't love President Bush."

Republicans are only encouraging those who threaten to leave to go ahead and do it. If someone is willing to throw away their citizenship over one election that does not go their way, why would we want these people...whether Republican or Democrat. I do not remember hearing about thousands of Republicans trying to immigrate to Canada during the Clinton years. And trust me, we disliked Clinton as much or more than Democrates dislike Bush.
on Nov 08, 2004
We didn't win this one, CrispE, and it would do us good on the left to admit that. Does that mean we have to say all our ideals are wrong? Of course not. But admitting that we lost handily will help us in fixing things withing the Liberal wing of the country.
on Nov 08, 2004
iamheather:

It is pointless to tell anyone to leave the country. If someone feels so strongly they should leave the U.S., your "encouragement" (which is interpreted by them as hate and therefore, wrong) won't make any difference. However, encouraging them to stay, be part of the system, make a difference by their involvement, might!
on Nov 08, 2004
Myrrander:

As I said, there are attempts under way, with or without our support. I didn't say I supported the effort, only that they are under way. I understand your concerns but the fight will occur whether we would vote for it or not.
on Nov 08, 2004
but the fight will occur whether we would vote for it or not


I urge we move on to another fight -- the one for the hearts and minds of our countrymen and women!
on Nov 08, 2004
CrispE -

I've been trying to get some info on these "complaints" that are rumored to be so numerous & pervasive, but I haven't been able to get my hands on anything solid, just anecdotal this & that. Do you have some solid data on this question? Enough people have been bringing it up that I think it's worth getting straight. I realize we don't control the runaway train, but it would be good to know.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 08, 2004

Reply #3 By: CrispE - 11/8/2004 6:25:54 PM
iamheather:

It is pointless to tell anyone to leave the country. If someone feels so strongly they should leave the U.S., your "encouragement" (which is interpreted by them as hate and therefore, wrong) won't make any difference. However, encouraging them to stay, be part of the system, make a difference by their involvement, might!


Tried that and was told I was stupid. If they see it as hate that's their problem then.
on Nov 08, 2004
drmiler:

Doesn't happen often (that we agree), but if someone you encouraged dissed you for encouraging them to stay then you have my appreciation for the effort and apologies for the the response.
on Nov 08, 2004
Daiwa:

The reports I have read site blackboxvoting.org (different than .com btw) as sponsoring the FOIA requests pursuiant to legal action should the requests show voting fraud such as the one district (as reported on Drudge where over 4000 votes went for Bush in a district in Ohio where only 600 were registered, according to what I heard).

Just a disclaimer: I do not work or represent the Democratic Party nor any organization pursuing FOIA requests.
on Nov 08, 2004
here are some more links about the voter irregularities:
hthttp://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/003214.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
a slashdot article with even more links
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/08/1910250
on Nov 08, 2004
Reply #10 By: cinchel - 11/8/2004 9:51:20 PM
here are some more links about the voter irregularities:
hthttp://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/003214.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
a slashdot article with even more links
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/08/1910250


Why is it that NONE of these are mainstream media?
on Nov 08, 2004
drmiler:

I would suggest that the reason that the main links people are giving are not mainstream media is that the mainstream media has too much to lose by angering the White House. You might think this is silly but there is a real growing feeling that the media, except for obvious opinion shows (Capital Gang on Saturday night had a "suggestion" of this) that if you anger the White House, they act to exclude you from stories.
on Nov 08, 2004
cinchel:

Thanks for the links! Good to see someone is doing the research!
on Nov 08, 2004
First of all your points are well taken (I'd prefer the rift be closed myself, not the policy debate, just the anger)

You don't want the opposition to leave as that will only create a most hateful situation because the ones who leave will be the moderates, not the extremists


Actually, I don't think it was the moderates suggesting secession or asking for a rope. You're right I don't want the opposition to leave, what fun would it be to debate people that agree with everything you do? It wouldn't do much for the mental masturbation excercise either, not to mention perhaps actually learning something.

Until then remember, we are all Americans.


Thank you
on Nov 09, 2004
I, for one, do not have a lot of faith in the mainstream media. They continue to fail Americans over and over and over. For instance, it was all over the internet in very reputable sources that the Niger documents that the Bush adminstration based their contention that Iraq was attempting to purchase uranium were fraudelent, BEFORE we went to war. If lil' ol' me knew that the documents were fraudulent, you can be absolutely sure the admininistration also knew it. They knew. At the time, I was saying "How can we go to war based on fraudulent documents?" But we did. And those lies consititute a criminal act of huge proportions.

First and foremost, I blame the Bush administration for lying to Americans. But, running up a close second is mainstream media. Where were they when these stories were breaking? I'm talking about before the war, not when Bush acknowledged it. Where the hell were they? Most people get their news from mainstream media and that is so sad, because mainstream media is not free and unbiased. As CrispE pointed out, they're too entrenched in White House favors to enable them to really discuss truth. This is why the internet, non-mainstream written media and discussions are critically important. And, if nothing else, the Democrats have to emphasize that point. Their messages didn't get out because mainstream media wouldn't carry any of it.

Yeah, we have free press in this country. It just ain't in the mainstream.

As for the title of this original post, I have to admit that sometimes I rant out of sheer frustration. My frustration is that people rely on mainstream pablum without doing their own research. When I first started posting here, I tried to be respectful. I posted articles that I was hoping that others would at least read and consider. What I got was complete venom from the conservatives. They seemed to have no qualms about insulting me, so I return that attitude in kind. I have no qualms about insulting certain posters here (you know who you are). Bottom line - I do think before I rant. And, I will continue to rant for as long as it takes to get these bums out of office. If it takes all of the four years, so be it. If it can be accomplished earlier, like maybe Cheney will die from a heart attack and Bush gets impeached, then great. But I will never lay down my attitude (I don't carry arms), and succumb to their side. If you're saying I should give up my core values and morals, it ain't ever going to happen.
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