OR: Faith is Personal, Religion is about Community
Published on July 15, 2004 By CrispE In Religion
Luke 18 1/2:
Then Jesus and the apostles came to Selfcentria along the coast of the Dead Sea. Many in the town had heard of the great miracles performed by the Master and had sent the Rabbi to speak with him. The Rabbi spoke with the Master about a great illness that had effected the whole town and how healing them would be a great miracle and serve the purpose of God.
The Rabbi then asked Jesus a favor. "The people of the town are very afraid of the Romans. They do not wish to anger them by your presence in the town. We also know that just the touch of your robe is enough to heal. So we were hoping to place you behind a curtain in our meeting place so that all you would need to do is touch each of them with your hand and no one would ever know you were there."
So it came to pass that Jesus did as he was asked. There in the meeting place of the town he stood behind a curtain and touched each of them as they passed. And each was healed because even though they could only see and touch His hand, they knew it was him and they rejoiced.

You aren't going to read this in the Bible because although it might glorify God and Jesus, it denies one of the fundamental principles of the relationship between God and man. What it does demonstrate though is how we want our faith to be impersonal, a one way relationship of goodness from above, but anonymous on Earth. God demands a personal relationship. It demonstrates how people are here for their gift, but not for their salvation.

Faith is the most personal of relationships a person can have. It is a trust and respect based on the sense that you are not in control of your life and that is acceptable to you. The people of "Selfcentria" cannot understand this because they choose to be "in control." We talk about this in faith because the story of Christ is symbolic of that personal relationship without control. But there are no stories like this in the Bible because Christ would reject immediately the concept that faith should be anonymous, sterile, with only the "human purpose" in mind. Faith is not only about how we live on Earth, it is about an eternity of life accepted because we know we are not in control and are open to the possibilities that God presents us.

Religion is the outward witnessing to others through like-minded groups of people (the church) that we accept God's leadership in our life. It is not important that all members of the church agree with us on each and every issue. We accept each person's right to decide for themselves within their personal relationship with God. We know determining God's will for our lives is not easy and is often a process that takes time and prayer. We strive as a community to both support and encourage the believer as well as those who do not believe.

There is a Bible passage where a woman is healed by touching Jesus's robe. Jesus asks who did it because He can feel the touch. But it is the touch of a woman who believes and knows God. She is not anonymous in Jesus's eyes and we sense the relationship between them.

We believe because we trust God's leadership in our lives. We have seen both good and bad. But we know the good from the bad. Perfection is not ours by any stretch of the concept. But we try to emulate Jesus, reaching out to the world, feeding the hungry, providing help for the poor, stretching beyond ourselves as witnesses to the good God has brought to our lives.

God is not anonymous. He will not be put behind a screen to give you gifts so that the gift is more important than the giver. It is you who must pull the curtain aside and meet the Master.

Comments
on Jul 19, 2004
I have been thing the same thing for awhile now. I used to struggle with a definition when people would ask me what religion I was. I am not familiar with the Luke 18 story and will have to read it myself to make an evaluation but the idea that faith is personal and religion is about community is very true. I am learning that when G-d says he is going to come for his people he is referring to Israel he was not meaning the physical but the spiritual. That is where we are graphed into the tree of life. It has nothing to do with what religion or blood lineage you are but the personal relationship that you have with G-d himself. It was really nice to read your article and know that church will never save you it is your own responsiblity.
on Jul 19, 2004
Adventure-Dude:
Well, Luke 18 1/2 doesn't exist. The concept was to use a "supposed" Biblical passage from the gospels to illustrate the point. God is very personal. Faith is very personal. But religion is not personal. It is a communal situation, akin to any group dynamic. I attend a Sunday School class where 3 of us are against the death penalty and 7 are for. How can that be if we are all Christians? Because each of us has a different relationship with God and each has our own choice to make on what is right. But together as a group, we are united in doing God's will. So we overcome our individuality to do God's work in our community and world.
Thanks for the kind words.
on Jul 20, 2004
I thought you were referring to Luke 18 verses 1 & 2. Sorry for the misunderstanding. It was monday and no coffee yet. I don't claim a religion I am a follower of the Torah (first five books) believing in the new and old testaments, similar to messianic judiasm. I am only letting you know where I am coming from and that I agree that spirituality is personal. May G-d bless you and keep you!
on Jul 20, 2004
Adventure-Dude:
Thanks for sharing. I consider myself a Christian in a faith sense but have attended many churches and maintain good relations with peoples from all faiths. Having been thrown out of a church once (they even threatedned to have me arrested if I came on their grounds! Ouch!) I can tell you that it isn't the building that makes a church but rather the faith of the people inside. Regardless of where or how you worship, its all about each of us and God.
on Jul 30, 2004
CrispE, I have a few questions that I hope you don't mind addressing. While I am quite familiar with Christianity (I was raised Catholic), I am far from being a bible scholar or knowledgable about other christian religions.

"God demands a personal relationship."

How do we know this? When I was young and believed in God I did not get this impression.

"It demonstrates how people are here for their gift, but not for their salvation."

It has always seemed to me that most believers believe because they want the gift of the afterlife/salvation.

"It is a trust and respect based on the sense that you are not in control of your life and that is acceptable to you."

What do you mean by “not in control of your life”? Didn’t God give us free will?

"The people of "Selfcentria" cannot understand this because they choose to be "in control."

Who are the people of “Selfcentria”? All nonbelivers? People who believe in other religions?

"We believe because we trust God's leadership in our lives."

What if we don’t accept God as our leader but as our partner? Is such a view an unchristian view?
on Jul 30, 2004
Abe,

God doesn't demand a personal relationship. He requests it. God loves you so much that he is going to let you do your own thing. He wants what's best for you, and doesn't demand that you pray and give thanks for what he has done. God wants you to be with him and grow in your faith.

Believing for the afterlife is IMO not an acceptable faith. Getting into religion just to get the carrot on the end of the stick isn't what it's about. My relationship with God and Jesus is a wonderful thing. I do not believe just so I can go to heaven. I believe that there is a wonderful and loving God who cares for us and that he wants to be with me in whatever I do.

God gave us free will Abe, but don't you find it odd that you come across certain situations at certain times? God wants us to be with him, to love him as much as he loves us, and he's not going to make us do anything. God is subtle and out in the open all at the same time. You just have to look for it.

Why would you ask that accepting God as a partner is an un-Christian view? God is a partner in life, but he's much much more than that as well. He's a father , a mentor, a savior, a king, a best friend, everything. God is a partner. Saying that God doesn't lead our lives is misleading though. God leads us wether we see it or not.

CrispE: I enjoy your work. Good article. Keep it up!

Peace,

Beebes
on Aug 02, 2004
Abe -- I'll try to chime in here also, if you don't mind.

The reason you did not get the impression God demands a personal relationship, quite frankly, is because of your religious background. You belonged to a religion that is considered "high church." Roman Catholics are still very removed from God, going through a priest for absolution, contrition, pennance, et cetera. Much the Catholics believe is from tradition, not from Scriptures. Pergatory, for instance, is not in scriptures. Mary is not quite so raised up in Scriptures as Catholosism maintains (though I do believe moreso than Evangelicals want to admit at times. It's kneejerk, forgive us.) Going through a priest WILL remove the personal nature of our relationship with God. RC's history is one that tells its parishoners that it is not for them to read the Bible, nor to interpret it. Westerners in the RC are more liberal than this now and this view is changing, but just visit a developing country dominated by the RC; the viewpoint is still there. Basically, the church teaches "you must rely on religion and priests and deeds to get you to heaven. Do not try to approach God on your own." This is reminicent of Judaism, and probably because Peter, who is accredidted with "beginning" the RC (though that's disputable) preached primarily to the Jews. Paul, who preached to the gentiles, is accredited with beginning the Evangelical churches, which were, consequently, never part of the RC.

All this said, Evangelicals have a history of relying more on scriptures and less on traditions or blends of religion and existing native practicies (ie voodoo, et cetera). I'm claiming that plainly in the scriptures, once tradition is removed, one can see that a very real, personal relationship with God is desired. It is by the Holy Spirit dwelling inside us that we my cry out, "Abba, Father!" -- that is to say "daddy." Jesus Christ is called our High Priest, replacing our need for any other mediator between us and God. That's pretty darn personal. We know from scripture His eye is on the sparrow -- not one falls that he doesn't know about. He feeds the birds, clothes the lillys of the fields. If we know how to give good gifts to our children, and we're evil, how much more does our Father in Heaven know how to give us good gifts? These are all very personal concepts, straight from scripture. One only needs to read the book of 1 John to discover how PERSONAL God is with us. James tells us to draw near to God and He will draw near to us. (James 4:8 I believe.) Read Hebrews to discover just how completely Jesus replaces the need for any institution on earth in our relationship with God. Remember, Abraham was called a friend of God. Hebrews talks about Abraham's children, Israel, being chosen. We are now called Holy, Chosen, Righteous, and all the other names ascribed to Israel in the days of old because we are children of faith -- we are friends of God! Abraham is thereby our father, just as the Jews claim him. Truly, his seed has been multiplied beyond the stars in the sky because of faith -- the same criteria that prospered him in the first place.

This is only one of your points. I might address your others in a later post, but I want so desperately for you to grasp how important daily prayer -- as often as you can throughout the day, formal and informal! -- and daily Bible reading are to your walk and fellowship with God. You need no intercessor but Jesus, who died once for all your sins before you committed a one of them. He died for God's enemies that they might become His friends... That is TRULY personal.
on Aug 02, 2004
people here for gift, not salvation -- good point Abe, I think most people come to God wanting the salvation if they come at all. However, I think CrispE meant immidiate gratification, not eternal change. Doesn't that do your point justice, CrispE?

God did give us free will, Abe. Right-o. But we surrender that control when we make Him Lord and King over our lives. That's what CrispE is referring to. It's surrender. It's perfect submission. Obedience. And that's how we know we love God. (Again, check out 1 John.)

The people of selfcentria, I believe, are all of us at any given time. We're all selfish. That's one weapon satan uses to defeat us. If we want our will, we can hardly have room for God's will, eh? Christians/non-Christians alike. Self-absorption is kin to pride, Satan's other great weapon. Me me me makes God into Santa Claus and not into King. A puppet, not a master. God will not be mocked like this and everything be fine in a relationship with Him ... or an afterlife if the person is unsaved. If the person is saved and lived that way, the person won't be attending the wedding feast (that's deep theology, I'll truncate here, unless interest is sparked.)

"We believe because we trust God with our lives." I think it's the other way around personally. We trust God with our lives because we believe. And you ask a very important question. What if we don't accept God as our leader but as our partner? Others here make room for that. I do not. It's wishywashy, lukewarm Christianity at best. It's not making Him King at any rate. This is the One who will judge the world, after all. Partner? No. Nothing less than King will do. The words, "No, Lord" do not exist in the Christian vocabulary, rightfully. More on this in an article I shall prepare for you, dear Abe.

Thank you CrispE for the great article.
on Aug 02, 2004
Thanks for you replies Shulamite. I have some questions but I will wait for your article.