OR: Isn't the Election in the Fall?
Published on June 23, 2004 By CrispE In Politics
Many people seem to have made up their mind on who they will cast their vote for in November in the Presidential election. This may have to do with a primary season that was over by early April and an incumbent who went unchallenged. However, it seems to me that making up one's mind about voting 5 months early makes for an even more divisive situation in a country that needs, if anything, much more solid information about candidate's abilities and platform for the next four years than we have now.

President Bush has led the U.S. for the last 4 years in a constant test of his leadership. Like him or loath him, you have to admit he tried to do what he believed was the right thing given the situation he was in. That doesn't mean I agreed with either his approach or the results of his leadership, just that giving credit where credit is due is important in consideration of his record and this election seems to be more about the President than the democratic candidate.

The negatives for Mr. Bush are that he has surrounded himself with a group of people that I find untrustable and at times, self-absorbed. These would include both the Attorney General who seems to enjoy parading in front of cameras to tell us what we already know and the Secretary of Defense who has not, to many people's satisfaction, explained how the Abu Gharib attrocities occured so obviously in plain site of so many intelligence officers for so long with nothing being done. The recent spate of memos seem also to give credence to the idea that the Defense Department was well aware of the practices that were used and yet Mr. Rumsfeld continues to deadpan the reporters and act as if they have no right to ask him questions about the accusations.

The Secretary of State is an interesting case in this administration that should note some consideration. General Powell is a man of integrity and virtue who seems to have been put out with the empty milk bottles at the White House as if he was a disappointment to the President. Powell, who stated the case to the U.N. and then said later that much of the information was flawed is now the conservatives whipping boy for admitting something we all know was true. Much of the information was flawed and provided by men like Mr. Chalabi who purposely fed it to the administration to get us to attack. When men like Powell make their intention to not serve in the second administration, that should tell us something about whether there is any sense of balance in the offing for foreign policy.

What do we know about Mr. Kerry, the democrat? Well, he served in Viet Nam, honorably and was awarded medals for valor and bravery. He has served in the Senate, mostly in the shadow of Ted Kennedy and not made any real trouble for anyone in his many years. This isn't unusual, after all, name 10 senators out of 100 currently serving who have made "trouble." Perhaps the question should be "name 10 senators," period. He is pro-choice, Catholic, and more likely to seek international solutions to the Middle East situation than Mr. Bush, that is, the second Mr. Bush. The first President Bush would not move forward without an international coalition.

Mr. Kerry is probably more pragmatic than the current president, has shown signs he would try to bring back a "Clintonesque" economic team (now them were the good old days in the stock market) and try to move the U.S. back to a traditional stance of leadership (by consensus) in the world.

Still, all this said, I don't think there is enough on either man to vote yet. For one thing, many issues await resolution in Iraq and Afghanistan. Secondly, platforms are still not in place and we don't know the candidates' official stand on issues such as health care, immigration, education and even homeland security.

I urge you my fellow voters (tongue now in cheek) to rest your voting fingers, firmly placed in neutral and consider, consider, consider.

It's a long way to November...

Comments
on Jun 23, 2004
I don't think that Kerry offers much on the issues I disagree with Bush on. I don't think Kerry will reduce social domestic spending. I don't think he will expand the military or make major improvements to the intelligence community.

on Jun 23, 2004
Well, I am not sure what he will do but I am willing to wait and see until we see a platform to decide. Are you?
on Jun 23, 2004
I'm willing to bet an arm and a leg that Kerry, like Clinton, would show alot more concern for ballancing the budget and keeping congressional republicans from going nuts with corporate tax cuts, behemoth health care measures, and other pork in the name of corporate interests. He strikes me as someone who could work well with congress, but also say no to a bad deal and keep spending in check. Certainly with a Republican congress and a democratic party that is already leaning towards the right, Kerry wouldn't have the chance to add much to the budget. Certainly Bush has shown that he will abandon conservative principles in the name of scoring points on medicare and education and stuffing the wallets of his investors.
on Jun 23, 2004
Well, I think investors like President Bush because he has a cheap labor policy (low minimum wages inside U.S., no restrictions on moving jobs overseas, and an open border policy with China) but Kerry has been in the Senate for a long time with no significant legislation to show for his time.

I think it is interesting that you note that the President has abandoned conservative principles on issues that play well to the non-affiliated voters (i.e. neither left or right wing). Kerry is doing something of the same with the Iraq situation. He is saying he would not abandon Iraq but the right thinks he will and some of them see Kerry as a great evil for just that reason!

I think Kerry is smart enough, as is Bush, to know that the liberal base (40% of the voting public) will vote liberal and the conservative base (40% also) are pretty much decided on their vote but the 20% in the middle will decide the election. Can the candidates take their base support so lightly?
on Jun 23, 2004
I don't think Kerry's Iraq position is particularly conservative. He basically takes the same stance that we could have expected from President Clinton, which includes alot of intensive diplomatic resolve that Bush just doesn't seem to be able to possess. Granted, Bush has shown a remarkable ability to lead the country when working with neoconservatives. The lasting legacy of Bush's presidency might be his success in uniting the center-right/right and center-right right/right neoconservative factions in Washington, which rumor has it, often squabbled over their preferences for warhead models with which to strike Iran in case of crisis. Somehow I think Kerry would be very hard pressed to sit down with Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Pearl and provide them with the decisive push in the unveiling plans to invade Syria. In fact, I doubt Kerry would ever have the balls to invade Syria and Pakistan and lay waste to Iran before it develops nukes, something which might become essential to U.S. security if barbaric terrorists ever attack our freedoms and way of life again.

If Kerry's position on Iraq is the moderate-liberal one, and Bush's position going into the conflict was the 'conservative' one, I would suggest that recent events have caused Bush to go much farther to 'the left' than he had intended. Not that I think Bush has the resources, within cranium or without, to be effective in a more diplomatic, multilateral approach to Iraq. While Iraq seems to rest a few strategic errors away from a massive three-way civil war, Bush is happily deliberating on Iraq's new stable democratic government. He's not someone, it would seem, with particular enthusiasm for honest and practical solutions that fail to help him demonstrate his strong moral resolve.
on Jun 24, 2004
. He's not someone, it would seem, with particular enthusiasm for honest and practical solutions


such as?

Kerry, like Clinton, would show alot more concern for ballancing the budget and keeping congressional republicans from going nuts with corporate tax cuts, behemoth health care measures, and other pork in the name of corporate interests


The idea of reducing government spending was forced upon Clinton by the Republican Congress.

Party platforms are pretty meaningless these days. Candidates make up their own minds.
on Jun 24, 2004
Mediator:
I think Kerry reaches out to the middle by saying he will not pull American forces out of Iraq or the Middle East. Many in the liberal camp would love to hear Kerry say that he has heard the call of the marches held around the U.S. last summer and is ready to pull out. I also think Kerry would have never have invaded Iraq without more provocation although I think Afghanistan was such an overwhelming argument that he would have invaded there. Kerry is much more likely to look for ways to get health care and domestic spending in-line with needs than Bush. But I'm not sure that is possible without reworking the system.
on Jun 24, 2004
Madine:
You seem to be on the conservative side of things, which is fine with me. So, let me ask in regards to the statement that the Republican Congress forced reduced spending on Clinton, I thought it was always that "Clinton read the polls and did what he thought they suggested." Isn't more likely than Clinton read the polls and then worked with Congress (something Mr. Bush seems to have a hard time with) to get done what he thought would get him re-elected in 96?

I disagree about platforms being meaningless also. Case in point: not the only reason for Bush's defeat in 92, but I think the Republicans had a plank in 88 dedicated to "no new taxes." Of course, the Republicans had nothing in their platform in 2000 that would lead one to believe that Bush's immigration policy is one accepted by most Republicans.

So is that a reason to vote against him in 2004?
on Jun 24, 2004
I think the Republicans had a plank in 88 dedicated to "no new taxes."


Then Vice-President Bush said, "Read my lips: No new taxes". This personal promise had a much greater affect than the party platform.

Clinton did look at polls. Still, the issue of balancing the budget was one that was brought to fruition by Republicans. Do you think a democrat controlled congress would have balanced the budget? Where were Clinton's balanced budget initiatives prior to the 1994 elections?

Kerry is much more likely to look for ways to get health care and domestic spending in-line with needs than Bush.


What programs is Kerry planning to cut?
on Jun 24, 2004
Still, the issue of balancing the budget was one that was brought to fruition by Republicans.


The same Republicans that are ballancing the budget today?
on Jun 24, 2004
The same Republicans that are ballancing the budget today?


Bush has been the leader in big spending, and he was not part of the balanced budget movement of the 1990's as far as I know. Supposedly the plan is to reign in spending starting next year. Didn't you hear the outrage over a leaked memo projecting major cuts in programs like headstart?

on Jun 24, 2004
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President Bush has led the U.S. for the last 4 years in a constant test of his leadership. Like him or loath him, you have to admit he tried to do what he believed was the right thing given the situation he was in. That doesn't mean I agreed with either his approach or the results of his leadership, just that giving credit where credit is due is important in consideration of his record and this election seems to be more about the President than the democratic candidate.
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one of the main problems i have with bush is that whether i agree with his policies or not, he executes much of it poorly.

the lack of preparations/mistakes of the post war occupation.
the gaping loopholes in the new air regulations.
the lack of funding for his education initiative.

and like you said, the people he picks.

the other problem i have is the appeareance of his lack of knowledge. i am sure he is not dumb, and i am not one to talk about verbal gaffes. but with clinton you always heard how he was always reading, had massive policy knowledge, was involved. on c-span there was a book expo at the same time they were told reagan just died. one of the panel members mentioned something like, "reagan would say 'wow, this is a bit more complicated than i initially thought.' but it is hard to imagine bush saying that"

on Jun 24, 2004
Madine:
I think the party platform had a plank in '88 against raising taxes which is what Bush alluded to in the famous "read my lips" speech