OR: Get Ready, Here Come the Casualties
Published on September 7, 2004 By CrispE In Politics
There are 2 months before the national elections and one of the two main issues is American Foreign Policy, especially as witnessed in Iraq. The Bush Administration notes that since 9/11 we have destroyed the dictatorships in Iraq and Afghanistan and tightened American security to lessen the threat in the United States. I'm not sure how we will know we are safer (regardless of how many times the President tells us to think it) until terrorists are actually caught in some stage of trying to do something. But the situation in Iraq is very visible and unfortunately becoming a very ugly situation.

A few weeks ago before we all went on vacation Moqtada Al Sadr was reportedly inside a mosque in Najaf with his militant brigade which the Defense department said we had killed a little more than 3 million of while sustaining only 3 U.S. casualties, but nevertheless, the main body was inside the mosque and surrounded. Al Sadr WAS a wanted man for being involved in a plan to kill another cleric in 2003. Many neocons on JoeUser were calling for storming the mosque and ending the threat as the ultimate sign of our intentions in dealing with those who opposed us. My own feelings were to lay siege and wait them out as the least bloody and dangerous action.

What the U.S. ended up doing was letting Al Sadr go! That's right, we said, "now taketh thy militia and skidaddle and don't be seen around these parts no more" unless you're running for political office. Now, I can't say I read every article on JU but I don't remember any neocons (and I apologise in advance if you did) ridiculing this action as both wrong and inconsistent with our policy on terrorists. Some may even have hoped that Al Sadr (never true to his word before, but why not believe him now?) would retire to a mosque somewhere, say prayers and just forget about the situation in his country.

That belief would, of course, be wrong.

We had Fallujah surrounded in almost the same manner as Najaf. Negotiations there led to a U.S. withdrawal and relative quiet for a time also. We negotiated and eventually people stopped shooting. Well, at least for a few weeks.

The problem is what "truce" means to a terrorist. Truce means "to reload, to get ready to strike again, this time more violently." Negotiation means "the Americans don't have the will to do the militarily right thing and wipe us out." Relative quiet means "wait until we have more weapons supplies because all we have now is spitballs." Oh sorry, under current U.S. policy, spitballs would be a step up from negotiations.

Many people like to draw parallels between Iraq and Viet Nam. One of the parallels that comes to mind is that we don't know who our enemy is and so, don't know who to shoot.

So, as a service to Mr. Bush and Mr. Rumsfeld and all our troops in Iraq, allow me to humbly explain the situation for you. The people who are doing the car-bombings and shooting the rockets at our headquarters and shooting our soldiers don't give a crap about civility. They will lie, kill, lie, kill, and lie some more as long as you think negotiations are the answer. Negotiations are not the answer and responding to terrorism by doing less than taking away all weapons will not work. American soldiers who cannot tell the enemy from the man on the street are not in strategically safe positions and placing troops at risk because a truce is in place is suicidal. When you find terrorists, they must be removed.

Otherwise, the fall is going to be full of reports of more dead. Unnecessary and a testament to the failure of U.S. policy.

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on Sep 08, 2004
The reason foreign policy is so tricky is because the future is unknowable. The picture of Rumsfeld with Saddam in the 80's when we offering "aid and support" (including weapons) looks unfathomable now, but it was just doing business the American way then. The problem is that the "friends" you make today can become your worst nightmare tomorrow.

It is real easy to be judgmental about this. Should Saddam have been overthrown in 1992? Sure, easy answer to that. Should the Kurds and Sunni have believed that the U.S. would support their revolutions against Saddam? Probably not if they knew of our record in Central and South America. The problem is that once that occured, trust of the Americans would be nil and this might be why we see much of what we do now. BUT, the commander in the field (saw a Lt Colonel interviewed last night and he was miffed by the Iraqi actions but powerless to do anything about it) must make life and death decisions based on the current Viet Nam "hold the line" policy that didn't work then or now.

Does anyone think this is a leadership issue with the Bush administration?
on Sep 08, 2004
I think Bush is showing the true colors of his leadership by focusing on the military issue and Iraqi well-being instead of focusing on "homefront" issues.
on Sep 08, 2004
Deference:

The interesting thing about your statement is that he's not just the "foreign affairs" President but needs to balance both domestic with international issues. They are, in fact, both important. Bush certainly isn't communicating on an every day basis with troops in the field and I'm sure that leadership domestically must be better than a healthcare reform that asks for a 17% increase in medicare premiums.

Can Iraq be Bush's only concern?
on Sep 08, 2004
Did Bush really say that? Do you have a link that made him suggest it?

Because I don't think Bush has the power to increase medicare premiums alone, and he certainly has to get the approval of Congress right?
The Only president as far as my knowledge is that had (almost) complete power, was Lyndon B. Johnson. But that's just my oppinion.
on Sep 08, 2004
CrispE, in regards to your statement in post #18:

I agree with you that he shouldn't be a foreign affairs only president. That is why I made the statement above. I feel Iraq and the war on terror are overblown and mushroomed to a point of overshadowing domestic affairs. The fact that the administration is not focusing on the domestic agenda is actually the smartest move his campaign can make since things are not the best here in the states. If Bush were to focus on the home issues, he would find it harder to deal with Kerry, since Democrats traditionally have been favored by the people in regards to domestic policy (I'm not saying that is well warranted).
on Sep 10, 2004
Deference:

If you look at Bush's campaign, it is obvious that he thinks that's all America cares about. The sad thing is, the people who will vote for him in November are essentially voting for:
1) and average increase of 10% for healthcare premiums
2) a 15% increase for prescription medicines
3) a lack of commitment to fund education on the national level
4) huge deficits through 2016
5) a decline in the general standard of living

So, you would think people over 50 would be Bush's biggest critics, not allies.

And yet.......
on Sep 10, 2004
So, you would think people over 50 would be Bush's biggest critics, not allies.


Youn people should be his critic too. His policies, and I am sorry to position the blame that reagan really should recieve, but he is the current president and he hasn't helped the problem, but rather made it worse, are going to cause massive trouble for people in the future. The government can not survive running larger and larger debt. One day we are going to crash, and we won't be able to pick ourselves up like the last depression because the government won't be able to afford an NRA because no one will loan us money.
on Sep 10, 2004

Reply #22 By: sandy2 - 9/10/2004 2:18:02 PM
So, you would think people over 50 would be Bush's biggest critics, not allies.


Youn people should be his critic too. His policies, and I am sorry to position the blame that reagan really should recieve, but he is the current president and he hasn't helped the problem, but rather made it worse, are going to cause massive trouble for people in the future. The government can not survive running larger and larger debt. One day we are going to crash, and we won't be able to pick ourselves up like the last depression because the government won't be able to afford an NRA because no one will loan us money


You must be one of those left-wingers....I'm a right-winger, pleased to meetcha!
on Sep 10, 2004
I think I am more of a centrist. Liberal in human issues, but conservative in economic issues. How about yourself?
on Sep 10, 2004
The problem is what "truce" means to a terrorist. Truce means "to reload, to get ready to strike again, this time more violently." Negotiation means "the Americans don't have the will to do the militarily right thing and wipe us out." Relative quiet means "wait until we have more weapons supplies because all we have now is spitballs." Oh sorry, under current U.S. policy, spitballs would be a step up from negotiations.
Very good! It seems the strong leadership ballyhoo of the RNC is fraudulent. I don't see the resolve.
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