OR: The Difference Between Editting and Reporting the News...
Published on August 31, 2004 By CrispE In Politics
I attended a recent showing of "Outfoxed" which was billed by those that I had heard speak of it as a left wing attempt at bashing Rupert Murdoch and Foxnews for right wing bias in editting the news to fit the propoganda mechanism that is the current right wing administration. There were descriptions that included "poor quality filming and camera work" as well as "editting issues" that made the film in part unwatchable. However, the film raises several issues that should be considered regardless of your political persuasion because the issue of news reporting is central in a republic to the decision making process of the people.

Thomas Jefferson (who as President received criticsm quite often, sometimes very undeserved) said that the country was better off with a "free press and not a free government" than vice-versa. What Jefferson meant by a free press was that the media that reports the news should take a critical eye to what government did to ensure that the people were getting both sides of the argument the government would present.

Governments have their own information dissemanation methods including spokespeople to voice their own points of view as well as contacts within the "edittorial community" (the talking heads and pundits who bombard us with their opinions of what the personalities of politics are doing). The news organizations then must take pains to scrutinize the information provided as well as digging nto the issues that face us and present us with all sides.

The history of propoganda in the world is full of examples of when the press does not take on the aspect of presenting the public with a well rounded look at issues. Consider PRAVDA in the old Soviet Union. The purpose of PRAVDA was to tell the people that the Soviet Union was the best place in the world, everything was getting better and better and say problems were temporary and that sooner rather than later everyone would be living the good life. All people needed to do was what the government thought was best for them, not question, and accept that their sacrifice was worthwhile.

Is this the argument Outfoxed makes? It certainly takes Fox, fox reporters and producers and personalities (Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and Brit Hume) to task for multiple occurences of bias in mixing opinion with news until the line between the two are so blurred that the viewer would be hard pressed to tell where one starts and the other ends. But further, it illustrates the connection between making money by all news organizations and content of broadcasts. This includes the major networks as well as CNN.

Many of you might think (as I did at one time) that CNN was the balance to Fox but this is now in question in my own mind because the methods of "spinning" that Fox is often accused of are widespread on CNN in an attempt to keep advertising dollars that might leave with lower ratings. So, does that mean that the advertisers are really in control of the news media and the ultimate determination of what we see and how we see it?

To answer this you have to ask yourself what the advertisers want you to see. Do they want you to question the government? Is uncertainty in the future to their advantage? Do you buy more stuff when you feel good or unsure?

Personally I think that the smoke and mirrors in the stock market may be the best indication of this. Consider the unemployment rate and the increases we have seen in inflation and unrest and the world and there does seem to be a disconnect between the reality and how the news is portrayed in the media. Questioning by all news sources is muted and we are constantly reminded that the new car, house, and job are just around the corner.

Remind you of anything?


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on Aug 31, 2004
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-liberalmedia.htm

This article makes some of the same arguments you are currently making from that movie. Its scary stuff all around. And as I've come to learn over the past few months, presenting two sides does not a balanced story make.
on Aug 31, 2004
historyishere:

At least we're talking about it. Most are blindly watching and assuming that it must be the truth if ______ says it is. But the "truth" is rarely simple. My favorite is the PRAVDA article of a Russian-American car race in the late 60's. PRAVDA reported the result as the American car finishing next to last and the Russian finishing 2nd. That's true..... BUT
on Aug 31, 2004
Good points, the media (press) has a civic duty to it's viewers it abandoned a long time ago to pick up the ratings ball...
on Aug 31, 2004
I actually bought the "Outfoxed" DVD and have been sharing it with friends. I found it edifying and, frankly, chilling. What really terrifies me is that Fox News still has a fanatical viewer support base that somehow sees past the slant.

More and more I feel the need for "meta-news" programs that enhance viewers' media literacy by revealing and explaining the tactics of the news media. Both the "Outfoxed" video and The Daily Show do this very well, sometimes just by running back to back clips from news media that show formulas and bias. Do I think such "meta-news" can or should be ideologically neutral? Well, that's probably not entirely possible. But even a biased analysis of the news can make us more aware of the taken-for-granted tactics of contemporary journalism.

Recently, The Daily Show did a piece that questioned the role of reporters' "objectivity" (specifically in regards to the Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth controversy). The central question was whether a reporter's objectivity involves assessing the facticity of claims independently or whether a journalist's objectivity is demonstrated by giving both/all sides equal opportunity to speak regardless of the truth-value of the claim. In other words, I can claim the President is a transvestite alien from Mars and, despite all the evidence to the contrary (seriously!), some folks view of unbiased journalism is that I get equal time to make my case. Seems like that is an incredible recipe for distraction and obfuscation.

Bottom line: I think FNC is bad but I am not sure that CNN and others are much better. They seem to refute the idea that the media balances itself . And yeah, I think the corporate influence on the news through advertising dollars is a problem.
on Aug 31, 2004
An example of the "OutFoxed" effect is MSNBC hiring Joe Scarborough who is a copycat of Bill O'Reilly.
on Aug 31, 2004
Do you WATCH Fox News?

O'Reilly, Hannity and Colmes are both editorial shows. I.e. OPINION shows.

Shawn Hannity is a far right conservative. Alan Colmes, the co-host is a liberal. They don't claim to be unbiased.

There is no evidence that the hard news portions of Fox News (which is the vast majority of the air time) has a partisan bent.

If you want to watch propaganda, watch some of the stuff on PBS or listen to NPR during the day.
on Aug 31, 2004
In Australia we have a media program called MediaWatch that has a sort of oversight role. It tends to pick on the Murdoch press more than anyone else, but then again Murdoch news tends to have a greater tendency towards newstainment than anyone else. Everyone who's anyone in the media or the government watches it, because nearly always it's the show that breaks the big stories of media perversion. It's only 15 minutes, but it has a significant role in defining the critical rankings of programs. Of course the average person doesn't watch it, but those who do can see the biases, inaccuracies and outright lies that are often the norm for the media. They have a special talent for getting leaked internal memos which can be quite funny at times.
on Aug 31, 2004
If you want to watch propaganda, watch some of the stuff on PBS or listen to NPR during the day.


By propaganda you mean conservative, right? NPR is a conservative media outlet too. A study by FAIR discovered that Republican on-air consultants outnumbered Democrats nearly 3:2.
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on Aug 31, 2004

If you think NPR is a conservative media outlet then you must be soooooo soooooo left wing that Democrats and socialists probably seem conservative to you.

Oh wait, you think FAIR is a non-partisan group don't you? Yes, FAIR is non partisan in the same sense that Michael Moore is.

If you read other FAIR "studies", CBS, CNN, ABC, and of course FOX are all against the Democrats. 

I'll say it again: Do you WATCH these shows? Or listen to them in the case of NPR? I do every day.  I can tell you the line up of NPR or FoxNews or MSNBC off the top of my head. I can tell you which hosts are conservative, which ones are moderate and which ones are liberal. None of them are particularly partisan. But NPR is more left than FoxNews is right.

on Aug 31, 2004
It's good that we have media watchdog groups, but not if they're as biased as the outlets they watch supposedly are. Who will police the police?
on Aug 31, 2004
If you read other FAIR "studies", CBS, CNN, ABC, and of course FOX are all against the Democrats


Spin, spin, spin. Not "against the Democrats," but conservative.

Draginol, I have continually read your posts and have discovered that you refuse to accept facts that don't support your case.

I can tell you which hosts are conservative, which ones are moderate and which ones are liberal


The issue is not whether the hosts are conservative, it's the contributing commentators, professional experts and guests. NPR was created as an alternative to commercially-driven mainstream media--however if you examine who is contributing on-air to NPR it is comprised principally of mainstream journalists, pundits and reporters (NY Times, Washington Post, etc.).

Do you WATCH these shows? Or listen to them in the case of NPR? I do every day. I can tell you the line up of NPR or FoxNews or MSNBC off the top of my head


Good lord! Please, get out of the house more often. Take a walk. Read a book.
For fair and balanced, watch FoxNews (on the right), then follow it with some DemocracyNow! (left) www.democracynow.org
Have a nice day!
on Aug 31, 2004
Spin, spin, spin. Not "against the Democrats," but conservative.


Yes, they are conservative to a liberal media watch group.

For fair and balanced, watch FoxNews (on the right), then follow it with some DemocracyNow! (left)


Is FOX News really as shamelessly conservative as DemocracyNow! is shamelessly liberal?
on Aug 31, 2004
Draginol:

First, yes, I watch Fox as well as the others. One of the things that I do as a stockmarket analyzer is watch news (most of the day, in fact), My impression is that Fox is conservative in it's spin all day. The morning team there is especially reverent to the President and most of the day is spent deadpanning that democrats are evil and need "stopping".

NPR, on the other hand, has no advertising needs since it is publickly and government supported. What I am trying to point out is that ratings sell products, the Fox model of reporting is successful, therefore it is being adopted by many networks and programs. Why would the advertisers ever want you to think things are bad?

If you, as director of Joeuser were having problems with the site and were in danger of losing it, would you tell us? To what purpose?

I'm not about liberal and conservative. I'm about spinning the news and blurring the line between opinion and facts. If there is a blur (and that is what is becoming the norm) we are all losers because truth is blurred by spin.
on Aug 31, 2004
Frankly, I don't think the problem, as it were, is quite as you state it.

Before Fox, the media were liberally biased while pretending not to be. Although, I haven't seen Outfoxed, I have watched a lot of O'Reilly, H&C and Hume. I'm sure any dolt could do a cut & paste hatchet job on any news organization & make it look foolish (F9/11 did the political equivalent), so the notion that Outfoxed is somehow insightful or enlightening seems a bit overdone. But I digress.

For reporting to be biased, by definition it has to be presented in such a way as to make one or the other side of an issue look bad, while maintaining a facade of neutrality of the part of the reporter (or news organization). There is no such facade with Fox News - any viewer who doesn't understand the conservative leanings of most of the opinion show hosts just isn't paying attention since they are pretty explicit about it. No facade, by definition no "bias." Bias is the wrong word, but the one we're stuck with.

O'Reilly pisses off the right almost as much as he pisses off the left, so he can't be fairly classified a far right-winger. I'll also give Colmes points for doing a pretty good job lately of holding some conservatives' nuts to the fire. And having to listen to Juan Williams, for crying out loud. So to say that the Fox News opinion shows are strictly far right is stretching the point. Do they lean that way? No question. But I think they've given viewers advocates for political points of view that went largely unrepresented in "mainstream" media before (except perhaps for Bill Buckley's show - wouldn't it be great if he still had his hand in?) and many people seem to have responded by watching. If that sells more Miller Light, so be it.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Sep 01, 2004
I think if Bill Buckley was still kicking around the tube, I doubt most of these other pundits wouldn't be around... I mean, how could they compete with him... he was an oratorical master.
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